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Improving Mindat.orgStudtite & Studt...

1st Aug 2010 21:57 UTCLuc Vandenberghe Expert

All the databases give F.E. Studt as a Belgian geologist...


No trace of studtite in the work of Eddy Van Der Meersche et al. "Minerals with Belgian Roots..." (ISBN-13 : 978-9038215310)...


There is no trace of F.E. Studt in the belgian high schools or universities... (Eddy Van Der Meersche personal communication)


Following this serious website :

http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/hall014gesc02_01/hall014gesc02_01_0044.php


Studt was German !!!


Thank you for the correction in Mindat...


Greetings from Belgium

2nd Aug 2010 01:24 UTCGerald Allen Peters

When you Google "Franz Edward Studt", many sources say "...an English prospector and geologist who was working for the Belgians."


The Handbook of Mineralogy (Volume 3) does not give his nationality.

Dana's System of Mineralogy, 7th Edition (Volume 2) likewise does not give his nationality.

Dana's New Mineralogy, 8th Edition, says he is Belgian.


Can anyone definitively confirm? Was he Belgian, German, or English? Also, does anyone have the birth and death years?


Thanks.

2nd Aug 2010 03:08 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

He was European. Who cares which sub-tribe? :D

2nd Aug 2010 06:53 UTCRock Currier Expert

The Romans were vary particular about various European sub tribes.

2nd Aug 2010 07:54 UTCJoachim Esche 🌟 Expert

Hello,


in Handbuch der Mineralogie from Carl Hintze, you find the following sentence:
Name von J.F.Vaes (Bull. Soc. Belge Geol., 1947, 70, B 212-225) zu Ehren des Geologen F.E.Studt, welcher 1913 eine geologische Karte von Katanga, Belgisch Kongo, veröffentliche.

(named by J.F.Vaes, to honor the geologist F.E.Studt, who published in 1913 a geological map of Katanga, Belgish Kongo)


maybe you will find some hints in that source.


Greetings

Joachim Esche

2nd Aug 2010 09:59 UTCLuc Vandenberghe Expert

After serious studies for the publication of his book, Eddy Van Der Meersche wrote :


"What criteria did we find that Studt did not have Belgian nationality:

- First names are not common in either the Flemish or Francophone: Franz Edward (in Dutch: Frans Eduard)

- He worked as a geologist with the "Tanganyika Concessions Ltd."

- In 1913 he published the first geological map of Katanga in "Transactions of the Geological Society of South Africa"

- We have found no trace of Studt as a student at a Belgian university..."


The serious dutch website of the "Digitale Bibliotheek voor Nederlandse letteren" gives the "The story of sciences in Belgium, between 1815 and 2000"... :


"De kennis met betrekking tot de geologische formaties, die eind 19de eeuw niet veel voorstelde, nam na de eerste geologische schetsen van Edouard Dupont (1841-1911) in de Beneden-Congo (1887) voortdurend toe. Dat was vooral te danken aan Jules Cornet. Vanaf het begin van de 20ste eeuw onderzocht men regio's die eveneens werden bezocht door Engelse (S.H. Ball, M.K. Shaler), Duitse (F.E. Studt) en Amerikaanse (Butler) geologen". or in bad English :


""The knowledge of the geological formations, late 19th century not many suggested, took over after the first sketches of geological Edouard Dupont (1841-1911) in the Lower Congo (1887) continues to rise. This was mainly due to Jules Cornet. From the beginning of the 20th century studied these regions that were also attended by British (SH Ball, MK Shaler) German (FE Studt) and U.S. (Butler) Geologists'


In 1947, J.F. Vaes (in the original paper) gives no nationality for Studt naming the new mineral....


Studt was a resident of the earth...


Ciao...




PS : Yes, in Europe we still have tribes ...It's not like the U.S. where everything has been decimated and where some people are herded into reservations ...

10th Mar 2011 17:27 UTCChris Deroo

Hello,


I found the following notes on Studt :


Zeitschrift der Deutschen Geologischen Gesellschaft.


10. Ober glaziale Konglomerate im Lande Katanga, Belgisch-Kongo.


Von Herrn O. Stutzer.


Freiberg i. S., den 27. November 1912.



… Wie Herr Studt 1 ) uns mitteilte, hat er diese Beobachtung über die Einschlüsse der „Wemashi "-Konglomerate an anderen Stellen ebenfalls gemacht. Es läßt sich dies alles nur dadurch erklären, daß die Glazial Konglomerate („Wemashi" -Konglomerate) älter sind als die “Kambove"-Schichten.


2. Herr STÜDT hat an mehreren Stellen, z. B. südlich Elisabethville, festgestellt, daß die „Kambove" -Schichten hier unzweifelhaft die Konglomerate („Wemashi "-Konglomerate) überlagern.


Man muß daher die „Wemashi" -Konglomerate wohl sicher für älter als die „Kambove" -Schichten erklären. Die stratigraphische Stellung, welche die Glazial-Konglomerate von Moashia in dem geologischen Aufbau des Landes einnehmen, ist daher folgende: …



1) Herr STUDT ist Geologe der Tang. Conc. Ltd. in Katanga und bei der Union Miniere du Haut-Katanga. Er weilt bereits mehrere Jahre in

Rhodesien und in Katanga und muß als der beste Kenner der Geologie Katangas gelten.


http://www.archive.org/stream/zeitschriftderde65deut/zeitschriftderde65deut_djvu.txt


So, it seems that Studt (or Stüdt) was indeed German.

However, in the 'Proceedings of the Geological Society of London Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society January 1905, v. 61:i-xcv' one finds :

Franz Eduard Studt, 13 Moscow Road, Stockport.


In other words, Studt apparently lived in England. So there allways a possibility that he acquired British nationality.


Regards,


Chris

10th Mar 2011 18:25 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Franz Edward Studt received a US patent in 1921 for electrolytic deposition of copper. He stated that he was a British subject.


http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPAT1378145&id=vaJmAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=%22Franz+Edward+Studt%22&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false

10th Mar 2011 19:40 UTCjacques jedwab

A picture of Studt's field lab in Katanga (locality: Ruwe in 1901-3=Mutoshi presently) is to be found at:


http://www.ulb.ac.be//sciences/katangapgm/FRONT.pdf


Studt worked with H. Buttgenbach for several years, with whom he disagreed about the origin of the Cu-mineralizations.


J.J.

11th Mar 2011 05:41 UTCDouglas Merson 🌟 Expert

Digging around on Ancestry.Com I found the following which may or may not apply.


Franz Edward Studt

birth - about 1874 no location given

residence in 1881 - Mitcham, Surrey, England age 7, birth about 1874, occupation student

Franz spelled with an S but could be a misprint in transcription from hand written records

death - 1953 Holborn, London, England


None of the entries indicate a profession or any departures from or entry into England


Possible son - Franz Edward Studt born 4 June 1914 at Stockport, Cheshire, Lancashire and immigrated to New Zealand, naturalized 28 Feb 1961


Maybe someone can find some supporting documentation to verify if this is the Studt in question.

17th Mar 2011 16:37 UTCLuc Vandenberghe Expert

Would you please follow this link :


www.dbnl.org


On P.252 you can see that Studt was german ...


Belgian people can find the french version of the book here :


http://www.ulb.ac.be/oratio/notegen;jsessionid=639B9F0C8653EFE05875618186888408?f_context=unibooks&noteid=107&style=&f_type=view&data-file=bib1


Studt was german !!!


Greetings from Belgium


Luc

17th Mar 2011 23:53 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Maybe he had a Belgian mother? >:D<

I was born in Germany and both my parents where German but I am a Canadian citizen so am I German or Canadian?

7th Nov 2015 05:36 UTCDinah pantic

Frank Edward Studt was my grandfather. He was trained as a metallurgist and graduated from imperial college in London about 1898. He was English and his parents originally from Germany. After graduating he worked in the belgium Congo for about 20 years for a Belgium company. I have many of his original diaries from this time

7th Nov 2015 15:59 UTCRob Woodside 🌟 Manager

Thank you very much Dinah! I added your info at http://www.mindat.org/min-3815.html


Those diaries are very interesting and must be saved. You are lucky to have had such an illustrious grandfather.

8th Nov 2015 09:31 UTCDinah Pantic

Rob


Thanks for that. It's very strange to read of people discussing my grandfather.


The diaries are full of information. How much Gold is coming out of Katanga. Mud maps. People. Elephant hunters. Geologists. How much cyanide he was prescribed for malaria. Railway building. Diseases. First well drilled etc etc. a lot of historical stuff. It's not just diaries, also bits and pieces to do with the company.


His son, my father, was a miningt engineer in Rhodesia for 10 years. He had the same name as his father and was also English. Later became a geophysicist and immigrated to New Zealand




And to complete the story I am a petroleum geologist

Cheers

Dinah

8th Nov 2015 11:18 UTCLuc Vandenberghe Expert

(tu) Thank you Dinah for this information that solve an old problem for more than five years !!!


Gretings from Belgium


Luc
 
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