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Bertrandite ? : Be4(Si2O7)(OH)2

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Copyright © Martin Slama
 
 
 
 
minID: CKA-WEY

Bertrandite ? : Be4(Si2O7)(OH)2

Copyright © Martin Slama  - This image is copyrighted. Unauthorized reproduction prohibited.
Field of View: 4.2 mm

In Coll. M. Slama

Canon EOS 600D with Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x, stacked from 37 Images using Zerene Stacker (Dmap)

This Photo was Mindat.org Photo of the Day - 3rd Jun 2020

This photo has been shown 885 times
Photo added:31st May 2017
Dimensions:5184x3456px (17.92 megapixels)
Camera:CANON EOS 600D / Rebel T3i / Kiss X5

Data Identifiers

Mindat Photo ID:823906 📋 (quote this with any query about this photo)
Long-form Identifier:mindat:1:4:823906:5 📋
GUID:54ba517b-5e04-46f4-bf82-ca9b58a484aa 📋
Specimen MinIDCKA-WEY (note: this is not unique to this photo, it is unique to the specimen)

Discuss this Photo

PhotosPOTD 3-6-20

3rd Jun 2020 13:35 UTCErik Vercammen Expert

A splendid photo but no caption: shouldn't be POTD

3rd Jun 2020 15:47 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

Yes would be nice to know the green mineral for starters

3rd Jun 2020 22:50 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Chlorite - can't think of anything else (too dark greenish for muscovite).

4th Jun 2020 13:32 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

On a different bertrandite photo of Martin's (shown above), the green balls are listed as clinochlore (and fluorite is mentioned in the caption as being present on the sample but not visible in the photo).


4th Jun 2020 16:02 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Clinochlore changed to chlorite because there is a good chance this could be chamosite.

3rd Jun 2020 22:54 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

I have seen phengitic muscovites of similar colour, may fit the assemblage better.

4th Jun 2020 00:07 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

Even if the uploader doesn't know what the green balls are, the caption could still simply say, "the green balls were not identified". Even that would have been a fair admission, and I would still have considered such a photo for POTD... there's nothing wrong with the educational discussion. But I agree caption-less photos should be disqualified as POTD candidates. One would hope we've moved wisely beyond just the shallow swimsuit competition... now we want our contestants to say something meaningful and intelligent too, and that's a good thing.

Speaking of balls, which manager(s) will have the cojones to go through the POTD queue and eliminate all of the future candidates that don't have any useful caption information? I'm not sure I'm brave enough to be the one to do so, because as we've observed in the past, people who select their potential POTD favoritesΒ do not like it when those selections get messed with. But if we want to minimize the number of times a post about the POTD starts with, "but what is the ________?", someone may need to take a stand.

4th Jun 2020 03:35 UTCErin Delventhal Manager

Can someone link me to the official policy on POTD criteria?

4th Jun 2020 03:57 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

I don't think there is an official policy, as I suspect your post implies, but it might be worthwhile for all of us to get together and come up with one that makes everyone happy... or at least something everyone can feel OK about. Because clearly what we have now has precipitated a lot of complaints... by members here, and by managers.

4th Jun 2020 04:37 UTCErin Delventhal Manager

That was exactly my point, Frank. Everyone seems to have a very different concept of what is acceptable, which seems to be the root of most of the complaints. If we're going to spend so much time and energy being upset about it, perhaps a set of actual guidelines would be helpful.

4th Jun 2020 04:48 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

I think that's a good idea, Erin. And by convenient coincidence, there's already a thread in the management forum, just started yesterday, that brings up some of these same issues. That may be a good place to build on the conversation that started in parallel here.

Let me add, as an aside, that Martin's bertrandite photo is visually spectacular!

4th Jun 2020 08:06 UTCDebbie Woolf Manager

Actually managers had a guideline set out by Jolyon but some managers ignore it, when that's the case it's never going to work well.

4th Jun 2020 08:24 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Thanks - then maybe these guidelines should appear automatically in something like a "Please check these guidelines: ..." pop-up window whenever a manager selects a POTD. That way, we will all quickly get used to it.

4th Jun 2020 07:09 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

and eliminate all of the future candidates that don't have any useful caption information?
Instead why not write a caption yourself? (I often improve/enlarge the description and correct the English and formatting before I select a photo for POTD.)
I agree that some brief guidelines would be good. Jolyon?


EDIT: Saw that Frank had already compiled a list in

4th Jun 2020 13:19 UTCHarold Moritz 🌟 Expert

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Where bertrandite forms from alteration of beryl in many pegmatites here in Connecticut, it is accompanied by fine-grained, secondary albite, adularia, quartz and muscovite, with the last as tiny agglomerates typical of the photo, which to me looks more brown than green. These can give altered beryls a dingy look at the hand sample scale.

Very difficult to photograph these minerals well, so I appreciated the good photo, but looking at the POTD's locality page, I notice that bertrandite is unconfirmed, so there's that issue as well.
 
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