Carnegie Museum of Natural History, Pittsburgh
Last Updated: 19th Oct 2023By Jolyon Ralph
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19th Oct 2023 15:12 UTCMatthijs Hellinghuizen
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hemimorphite after calcite19th Oct 2023 22:47 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
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23rd Oct 2023 14:25 UTCbob kerr
23rd Oct 2023 14:45 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
In fact, most art galleries go further giving the years the artist was alive and often a short explanation of the piece and what it is meant to represent.
23rd Oct 2023 14:46 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
23rd Oct 2023 15:12 UTCDavid Carter 🌟 Expert
Sounds to me like a simple case of dumbing down.
The venue in question is called the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, a natural history museum being defined as “a scientific institution with natural history collections that include current and historical records of animals, plants, fungi, ecosystems, geology, palaeontology, climatology, and more, with the primary role to provide the scientific community with current and historical specimens for their research to improve our understanding of the natural world, and a secondary role to have public exhibits to share the beauty and wonder of the natural world with the public”.
To me, the Hillman Hall of Minerals and Gems, being within the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, should not be oversimplifying matters with some misguided belief that a portion of their visitors wouldn’t care!
Also, surely art should both entertain and educate us?
24th Oct 2023 05:00 UTCDale Foster Manager
Jolyon Ralph Founder ✉️
don't think the answer given is reasonable - It's a bit like an art gallery putting up the Mona Lisa without putting the artist's name next to it.In fact, most art galleries go further giving the years the artist was alive and often a short explanation of the piece and what it is meant to represent.
23rd Oct 2023 16:02 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager
23rd Oct 2023 16:30 UTCDebra Wilson Expert
- * minerals were presented with minimal labeling because the hall was intended to be an art gallery for the general public: those advanced enough to truly care about the specimens would already know why the specimens were important; those who weren't wouldn't care anyways
- * the computer kiosk that would allow visitors to look up all information on every specimen exhibited was defunded and cancelled at the last minute of the recent renovations
- * the interactive database that allows visitors to look up additional information on all of the exhibited specimens online has been non-functional since last December
Over the years, I was able to gradually sneak more science, cultural and locality information into the exhibits and specimen labeling in order to improve their cultural and geological context including: changing the graphics to include images to show that specimens came from mines and quarries; creating locality suites where I could get away with adding mine or associated towns of origin; including types of occurrences to labels for specimens in the Pennsylvania exhibits (i.e. "roadcut," iron mine," etc.); creating special exhibits emphasizing the cultural significance and historic importance of the specimens; etc. These efforts always included arguments with "The Powers That Be", often including exhibits staff who had their own agendas, during the justification process.
24th Oct 2023 15:28 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
24th Oct 2023 04:20 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
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As far as QR codes go, there would be over 1,300 of them on the glass and in many instances it would be impractical to have them placed inconspicuously.24th Oct 2023 08:25 UTCClosed Account 🌟
24th Oct 2023 16:20 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
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baryte (and not barite!)24th Oct 2023 17:27 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
24th Oct 2023 15:37 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Part of the problem is the sheer amount of work needed to do the labelling in a way that we would consider "appropriate" within this audience, and the design requirements and problems with layout this would entail. We have situations for example the new display outside the mineral hall in the Natural History museum in London where is a display of classic mineral specimens with absolutely no labelling whatsoever! Not even the species name! That's simply because it was decided to do something as a visual attractor for people to bring them into the galleries - but for me this is an absolute crime (although it is quite nice for me to be able to show off my identification skills to others by pointing out what they are).
There aren't any real standards about how minerals should be displayed and what information should be made available, and that's something perhaps the SMMP and/or the IMA Museum Commission could look into. For me the most important thing is being able to access that information if needed. So the absolute minimum for me would be the specimen catalogue number and a way to look that up on my phone within the museum database. The catalogue number could be presented via a QR code as mentioned previously, and that could be one QR code per cabinet.
If you want to make collections have scientific and educational value beyond the "here's some pretty rocks to justify the museum entrance fee" you do need to do this as a minimum.
I hope my comments can help drive things forward to improve the displays here and elsewhere in the future, and I'd be happy to be involved in any committees or discussions going forward on that with my (maybe unwanted) advice.
24th Oct 2023 16:49 UTCKnut Eldjarn 🌟 Manager
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