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LocalitiesLeoben lodge, Polster, Eisenerz, Leoben District, Styria, Austria

14th Jun 2011 23:37 UTCFranz Kahlig

The assignment of this location to the city of Eisenerz ist not correct. In fact this side of Polster Mt. belongs to the village of Vordernberg.

Please refer to the attached map cutout.

The course of the municipal border is from Präbichl pass (pt 1232) to the Polster summit (pt 1910) and farther in NE direction. Leoben lodge - Leobner Htt. on the map - clearly is located on the Vordernberg side.

Please also refer to the entry for Leoben lodge in the index of the lodges of the Austrian Alpine Association where the postal address of the Leobner Hütte reads Laufstrasse 66, A-8794 Vordernberg.

As a profound aficionado of this location I am planning to add a further locality which is located also on Polster Mt. but this time really on the Eisenerz side. But this could create a problem with two distinct localities Polster Mt., Vordernberg, Styria, Austria and Polster Mt., Eisenerz, Styria, Austria but both located on the same Polster.

I don't know whether this is an issue of importance for the database and how it should be resolved but I would appreciate any notice referring this matter as I will withhold my creation of the second locality of Polster to avoid any unnecessary ambiguity.

Thank you.

15th Jun 2011 18:35 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

This is tricky and a bit ambiguous. We don't strictly follow municipal borders and usually choose the largest and/or geographically nearest city/village as the one-up locality name. In this case it's Eisenerz (compare http://www.austrianmap.at/).

Theoretically, a sublocality Handlgraben could also be inserted, since the Leoben lodge is on the northern slope of the Handlgraben.

In case of localities on different slopes of the same mountain, Polster Mt. (southern/western slope) could be used. Such a hierarchy is highly recommended especially for mountains separating for example Salzburg and Tirol.

Any comments by other Austrians?

15th Jun 2011 19:17 UTCChristian Auer 🌟 Expert

You could split it up in Polster Mtn NW-slope (Eisenerz) and Polster Mtn SE-slope (Vordernberg).

By the way I hope Mr.Kahlig will help mindat with the region about Eisenerz. Its really an absolutely shame that there isn`t ONE picture of Austrias most important mine, the Styrian Erzberg, in the database!

16th Jun 2011 07:10 UTCFranz Kahlig

Thank you for the clarification of Mindat's practice regarding the naming of localities. Because the locality I am planning to add is on the Eisenerz side anyway there's no problem with it.

After thinking it over even purists will appreciate the current arrangement as it helps to keep Pandora's box closed: did you know that the Styrian Erzberg historically has been divided between Vordernberg and Innerberg - the latter nowadays called Eisenerz - along a certain height called "Ebenhöhe"? All mines above this height belonged to Vordernberg and all others to Eisenerz...

16th Jun 2011 07:15 UTCFranz Kahlig

Well, the shame Mr. Auer complained about has found an end, I've uploaded the first pictures and more will follow. Of course these pictures represent a personal view on this locality, but that is exactly what I want to share with all of you!

16th Jun 2011 08:35 UTCChristian Auer 🌟 Expert

Great, I really appreciate that! I`ve been there very often but never made pics.

What`s also missing is a pic of a "real" flos ferri, I mean I saw some that had a high of 1 m and more, completely filigrane without damage.

I`ll try to add rare micros from there very soon.

26th Jun 2011 14:00 UTCFranz Kahlig

I just added an new locality Niederpolster, Polster Mt., Eisenerz along with some site and mineral photos from there. After careful considerations I decided to name it after the north-western secondary of Mt. Polster because minerals may be found on all sides of the mountain. So the suggested division in NW and SE slopes would have been too restrictive.

See also the attached map.

Interestingly there exists - at least to my knowledge - no documented reference as a place of finding minerals. But years ago it was well known by the locals and every visit of this place so far proved to be successful in collecting rock crystals - especially after snowmelt or heavy rainfall.

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