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5th Jun 2016 08:26 UTCPaolo Bosio

In order to add minerals from various seamounts and deep-sea drilling sites, a new first-level locality is needed: Mediterranean Sea.

Thanks in advance for the new addition.

Paolo

5th Jun 2016 11:54 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

Since the entire Meditteranean is divided into "Exclusive Economic Zones" with control of mineral resources therein, why not assign localities to the country whose EEZ covers the respective area?

5th Jun 2016 13:10 UTCPaolo Bosio

It can be done for Mediterranean and elsewhere.

However, if localities are assigned according to the various EEZs, the Mindat database needs some emendations. In particular, the first-level localities Baltic Sea [http://www.mindat.org/loc-221457.html], Red Sea [http://www.mindat.org/loc-191811.html] and Persian Gulf [http://www.mindat.org/loc-243201.html] should be delated and the relevant sublocalities re-located accordingly.

5th Jun 2016 13:15 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

Yes, I agree that would be a good idea.

5th Jun 2016 13:42 UTCVandall Thomas King Manager

I guess the full answer has to be about all bodies of water (on Earth)?

5th Jun 2016 13:52 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

Most parts of the larger oceans are no-man's land and so wouldn't fall under national jurisdictions. The Meditteranean and similar smaller seas and gulfs are however completely divided up under national jurisdictions (at least as far as fishing, oil and gas exploration, and mineral rights are concerned). So I think such undersea localities should be assigned to the countries they belong to (and there would be no generic "Meditteranean Sea" highest heirarchy level in that case).

If not, then where will the boundaries be? A locality 2km offshore in 500m water depth belongs to its nearest country, but one 100 km offshore in 1,000m water depth does not? I'd rather avoid interminable discussions along those lines and just use established EEZ boundaries. As a geologist I've never been a big fan of dividing up mineral localities along political boundaries, but that's the (admittedly convenient) system we're stuck with on land, so we might as well use it in the water too.

5th Jun 2016 14:09 UTCŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

I've had a similar problem with Green Bay of the Michigan lake... as samples for a paper were collected both in two states, and there was a need of having a general locality.

5th Jun 2016 14:59 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Jolyon is working on the problem when an area spans more than one political boundary.

The problem with the localities in the Red Sea is that they are in the middle. It really isn't too obvious which country they belong in.

5th Jun 2016 18:13 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis

Any tendency to muddle geology with ephemeral political geography must be a mistake.

It seems to happen here frequently.

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