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28th Jan 2017 01:02 UTCMichael Harwell

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Weighs a little over 10 pounds. I find lots of similar stones like this but never this big. Found on San Mateo coast after super huge swell. Lots of cliff damage but it could have broken free from an off shore formation near pelican point lighthouse in San Mateo county. Pointy edges on green mineral ( inside) and smooth stream rolled white colored coating. Translucent but large so a stronger flashlight needed. Found near and in areas with lots of Pleistocene gravel.

Scratches easy with knife.

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Even the white mineral coating the outside is semi translucent. Not as translucent as the olive or pale green mineral on the inside.

The white patchy stuff is an alge or something like that.

Thank you for your input.

28th Jan 2017 01:10 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Looks like chert to me, that commonly has a white crust like your sample.

28th Jan 2017 03:28 UTCDonald B Peck Expert

I am a bit confused as to which mineral waw are looking at. I see a blue crystallized mineral in a white matrix. If the white scratches with a knife (5 - 5.5), it cannot be chert (6.5 - 7). You might try some vinegar or HCl on it to see if it bubbles. Could be a marble?

28th Jan 2017 04:59 UTCDoug Daniels

Another question - you say it weighs a little over 10 lbs, but the first photo shows it next to a dime (or quarter?). Maybe 10 ounces? And, if the white rind scratches with a knife, maybe a weathered crust. An acid test wouldn't hurt, even if it is negative.

28th Jan 2017 06:04 UTCVolkmar Stingl

Chalcedony seems the most probable to me.

28th Jan 2017 12:01 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Chalcedony was my second choice, chert and chalcedony can overlap. If it is either you should not be able to scratch it with a knife.

28th Jan 2017 12:50 UTCHarold Moritz 🌟 Expert

The whole piece appears to be a cobble of very fine-grained quartzite, note the frosty partial fractures cutting through the cemented grains at the upper left in top photo, very typical. The outer milky part is due to myriad tiny fractures from being water tumbled. The inner blue from some kind of impurity between the grains. It was evidently naturally broken open as the new concave edges show a little wear also. Once rounded, quartzite cobbles like this can be extremely tough. They are found in glacial till and alluvium all over New England many miles from the outcrops.

28th Jan 2017 13:15 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Good point Harold it does look a bit like quartzite as the fracture surface is not quite as smooth as I would expect for chalcedony or chert. However I thought that might be because the fracture surfaces are old and have been dulled by abrasion. The sample really needs to be broken to expose a fresh surface, that would settle that question.

28th Jan 2017 16:30 UTCMichael Harwell

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Broke a slice off. My guess was a chalcedony of sorts as well because I did collect it in an area rich in Pleistocene gravel which is a mixture of all sorts of chalcedony , jasper, chert quartzect. Great hunting for semi precious stones etc. for arts and craft projects for my kids.....me too if I had time. ( by the way what can I use to polish chalcedony with. I don't like mineral oil as it changes the color of the crystal quartz that is mixed with my jasper samples. Learned that one over time. It was suggested I use aluminum oxcide? I wish I had more time to take close ups and post some these colorful stones under beach and river collecting. I have some really beautiful multi colored jasper, moonstones, and huge assortment of the Pleistocene gravel mixtures. Bend down to pick one up but there are three or 4 pieces right there next to it. Hard to stop. However, if I can I am going to concentrate on the moonstones/agate and carnelian. But it hard not to pick up a recycled mixed up and extremely colorful jasper quartz etc combinations. It is has been written that this area has the most colorful beach stones in all of California. Kinda hidden and off the radar. Other locations have more written about them. It's a real gem of a location. Maybe see one ir two of the same people but vary rarely. Usually just me and the kids have miles of beach and not a sole in site.

My question is which particular kind of chalcedony is this one. Textually you may have a very narrow definition of chalcedony but online there are pages of different forms of chalcedony with all sorts of classifications and names. This sample is more pure than a lot of samples I collect that contain jasper/quartz/ agate chaceldony mixture etc etc. all recycled and mixed and matched together. it's also common to find carnelian and nice moonstones. Found 6 abalone shells ( 6-8 inches across) there last weekend. ( in the first minute. ) The ocean had its way of classifying the shells, gravel and rocks and sand into there respective locations along the beach. and then setting them all within 10 feet of each other up at the high tide line behind a rock.

But this piece I posted is so large and newly broken open, as Harold pointed out, that it had me interested. I was informed that there is a large quartz formation out there. Not sure though. However, this " newly cracked open" feature is contradicted, in a way, by the white algae spots. Thus it must have sitting in the ocean long enough for this to grow. Then spit up real quickly with the largest ground swell in a good 5-10 years.

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28th Jan 2017 16:33 UTCMichael Harwell

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A little different light. Not so direct.

I used a small hammer. It took a few good swings to get it.

28th Jan 2017 16:37 UTCHarold Moritz 🌟 Expert

It's definitely quartzite rock, not chalcedony, the frosty fracture surface is characteristic. White spots are not algae, but thin flakes of partially separated rock. These tough rocks can be transported a long, long way from their source.

28th Jan 2017 16:50 UTCMichael Harwell

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Two pictures of the slice hammered off shown in the sun.

The last is not related to this other than found in similar location.

Went outside to take a picture of the slice and these where left there by my daughters so I thought I'd inquire the true identity. I have many that are banded agate very translucent. Name for banded translucent ones: Moonstone or banded agate? These pictured don't have any obvious signs of banding but seem similiar or very close? Identity? Thx

28th Jan 2017 17:14 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

I agree with quartzite.

28th Jan 2017 20:27 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager

Agree.... quartzite.

28th Jan 2017 21:34 UTCMichael Harwell

My ameture opinion has changed back to quartzite.

From my limited experience, if I use mineral oil I believe I "could" change the color. Perhaps darken it. If oiled a few times and especially if I left in the sun with the oil on it.

With a solid piece of chalcedony, silica rich, ( I believe that's close to being correct). I would find the mineral oil will not change the chalcedony or Jasper's color. Make it more brilliant for a while. But, as I've said from my experience, a mixed piece of say jasper and quartzite when polished with mineral oil will turn white quartzite more yellowish or just dirty ugly. Ruining the looks of the stone.

This stone is heavy and around 10 pounds. Because of the weight I was curious. And it's uniformed make up. And I learn so much from what you all say. I read something you guys write and then read about it.....and it leads to another question which leads to another.....it never stops. Interesting hobby I fell upon last year.

Thank you all.

Mike

Ps. I'll be posting a few fossils shortly.
 
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