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Identity HelpPrimavera Stone

20th Jun 2005 16:24 UTCBarbara

Does anybody know anything about a mineral called "Primavera Stone"?

It is sold "via auctions" and is said to be mined in a gold, silver lead mine in Arizona. The following composition is displayed with the auction items and at another site:

Below is a list of the minerals found in this stunning stone.

Silver: Argentiferous Galena

Yellow: Wulfinite

Orange: Mimitite

Red: Phoenicochroite

Light Blue: Caledonite

Green:Wherryite

Medium Blue: Chrysocolla

Green: Luddenite

Dark Blue: Shattuckite

Neon Green: Fornacite

Dark Green: Vaquelinite

Brown: Limonite

White: Quartz, Plumbotsumite

Gray:Cerussite, Anglesite

Apricot: Undetermined

Black: Murdochite

Another 'cal silica' ?

Thanks from Jade in Europe ( no kidding )

20th Jun 2005 17:27 UTCsteve

Hi. Barbara;

That was an EXCELLENT come-on; bt, most likely, regardless what they post, there's probably only 5 - 6 of those minerals/specimen. Did you notice how many greens there were; that probably means you aren't likely to ID any of them w/out testing. Some of the colors have more than 1 mineral listed; most amateurs can't ID the differences bcs they don'y know physical properties too well.

"primavera stone" is new trade name & means nothing to geologists or mineralogists; only lapidists MIGHT use that term or those into metaphysics. Otherwise, to us, it's fancy name is "ore" or "gangue"; take your pick. Such pieces, if un-ID'ed, would go for about $3 - 4 for a good hand-sized piece. If it's really vuggy, maybe a tid more. Sounds like someone is cashing in on the waste pile!

Hope this helps, Steve

21st Jun 2005 13:28 UTCG.Curtis

I did a google search for this and found it listed under many categories, including building materials.

In fact there is a company called Primavera Stone Inc. that supplies building materials, including the said primavera.

I get the impression it is an attractive man-made composite material used for decorative stonework.

Consider the meaning of the name!

PRIMA = prime or first

VERA = true

meaning of primavera stone is "First true stone"

No such natural mineral, no such natural rock.

Regards

Eric

21st Jun 2005 13:44 UTCsteve

Hi, Eric;

Trust me, that isn't even the same thing; most of THAT is cast "stone". That's what the company I work for makes, as well as sinks, tubs, & panels of the same stuff. The stuff she's referring to is completely natural; it just sounds like someone'sput a metaphysically sounding name to it & charging many times what the crushed rock price would be. Probably predominately quartz, which places it as unecomonical ore at best & was originally destined for an eternity in a dump pile but this guy got a "bright idea" (Pet rocks were just washed stones from till!). Just another scam.

Your Friend, Steve

22nd Jun 2005 15:01 UTCG.Curtis

Thanks Steve, never seen the stuff myself, but sounds like a scam, whatever the material actually is.

Eric

24th Jun 2005 14:51 UTCAlan Plante

Hi Jade

I'm afraid Steve is right: Someone is marketing mine dump material by giving it a fancy name to make it sound like it's worth more than it is. The list reads like a mineral list for an entire mining complex, and probably is. The thing is, most people would simply believe what they are told and never have their piece tested to find out what is actually in it - so the sellers get away with their scam...

Ya just gotta looove those marketing folks!

:~}

Alan

PS: Before buying a piece, ask the seller if they will guarantee in writing - money back - that you'll find each and every mineral named if you send it in to a mineralogy lab and have it analyzed using an electron microprobe. Bet they turn green in horror and say "No!" :~}

5th Jul 2005 19:56 UTCBarbara

Thanks Alan, I'll do that! *evilgrin*

Barbara

29th Sep 2005 09:36 UTCRock

Barbara/Jade

Primavera Stone is a stone/rock marketed by Jimmy Vacek of Scottsdale Arizona. In reality I think Alan hit it on the head by calling it a dump material that Jimmy is giving a fancy name to in order to try and create some demand. Much better to call it Primavera rather than calling it "a rock I don't know what the hell it is but it is kind of pretty". Each year a number of similar promotions are floated and the drums pounded. Jimmy featured this stone two or three Tucson's ago and I think sold a lot of cabochons to jewelry manufactures. Few people can beat Jimmy for making a silk purse out of a sows ear. If you are a free market person, let the buyer be ware, you rather have to admire him. I think the locality was left a little vague because he didn't want people going there and getting stuff from the dump and competing with him. If you really need to know the locality I may be able to find out now that the fire has died out of this promotion and now is only smoking a little.

Rock

14th Jul 2007 00:11 UTCpoetcomic1

It looks EXACTLY like low grade green turquoise to me! Check out some of the necklaces he is selling on ebay search ebay for 'primavera necklace' and you'll see what I mean.

22nd Aug 2008 18:41 UTCRhia

Primavera stone is simply Chrysocolla.

22nd Aug 2008 19:21 UTCAnonymous User

well.primaverastone is not first stone,its springtime stone,,,,,,,ab

1st Dec 2008 18:39 UTCRobbie

First things first; This is a fabricated re-brand name with fancy trimmings by MST. I really dont know what the fuss is all about, its uglyyyyyyyy. And they want from $10.00. to 16.00 a sq ft for this limestone. Go to Mexico they have a material that is so close for $2,80 a sq ft. Go figure. Whats amazes me anyone who has this so called French stone even ask you where your project is, DURGHHHH. Unbelievable. Oh forgot, another company has this material or similar and they hung on me because I would tell them where the project was, how rude is that. Oh the name of the Company was Stone Sections. SEE YER. Good luck.

12th Dec 2009 15:10 UTCbodeen

Turquoise is considered a "waste stone" by the copper and gold miners. You guys are indicting a particular stone based on relative valuations that have nothing to do with the actual energetic value of the stone itself. Where or how a stone is found or mined has absolutely nothing to do with its "value" in the final analysis. If people sensitive to stone energies find "Primavera stone" to have charming energies then it doesn't matter where it comes from. They will pay according to the value they place upon its energetic characteristics. Because most of the commenters here seem insensitive to stone energies they are operating in the dark on these matters and might best remain mum on these things at least according to "value" which is always a relative assessment for gems and minerals anyway.

12th Dec 2009 15:41 UTCJames Christopher

Well, when a way is finally found to prove a stone has "energies" and measure them, which will be never, then and only then will your argument have any validity. Now if people want to believe stones and minerals have "energy" and get bilked of their money, well that's their problem. Most of us are smarter than that.

12th Dec 2009 15:42 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

"People sensitive to stone energies" don't exist, they simply delude themselves into imagining it. This is not just my opinion - It is demonstrable. Put a crystal under one of three upside-down paper cups and ask the "people sensitive to stone energies" to tell you which cup it's under. End of story (for all except the most hopelessly gullible among us).

12th Dec 2009 16:31 UTCAnonymous User

Bodeen:

Hopefully it is clear that this site is a source of scientific information about minerals, and NOT for the supposed metaphysical properties of such. No one above is addressing metaphysical properties - they are simply answering the question regarding what the rock may physically consist of. Note that many informed posters above are stating that the minerals claimed to be present in the rock are likely misidentified or not present. This information should be equally useful for those who believe that wulfenite, for example, has special "powers" (and would therefore feel cheated if the sample does not contain it as claimed), and for those who appreciate wulfenite for non-metaphysical reasons. If you believe that a rock has metaphysical powers that do not depend on its content of specific actual minerals, then I fail to see how the mineralogical information on this would be of interest to you.

12th Dec 2009 18:09 UTCRichard Dale Expert

Alfredo, I am dissapointed that you never noticed the quarter-size scar on my forehead, as absolute proof of my sensitivity to stone energy - which, by the way, increases with the square of the velocity. Saludos, Dick

12th Dec 2009 18:24 UTCMichael D. Cline Expert

The locality for the "primavera" stone is actually quite fascinating. It lies within central Arizona's "chromium belt". Most of the species on the above list occur there, as well as others that are not mentioned. I have seen a fair amount of the unworked rock and it contains a number of exotic species in multiple associations. Absolutely fantastic stuff. Some of the species, such as Fornacite, occured in crystals and masses of such size and quality that they may quality for Mindat's best of species report.

Few business persons could be expected to analyze every mineral occuring in every example of their final product, the result would be an unattainable price. The list provided is to the best of their understanding. I haven't verified every species on the list, but I have seen a majority of them and others that have been overlooked. I have seen, and own, samples which contain fornacite, mimetite, wulfenite, wickenburgite, willemite, creaseyite, phoenicochroite, and murdochite on a single small specimen. It is unusually rich material. I don't feel that the primary marketers of this product have engaged in any deliberate distortion of the truth. I only worry that fantastic mineral specimens were polished for jewelry.

I wish I could have seen all of this material before it was cut. I understand that much of the vuggy material recovered was presented to a prominent Arizona mineral dealer years ago and that specimens are in collections worldwide.

Best Regards,

Michael

13th Dec 2009 02:33 UTCRock Currier Expert

Bodeen,

If you can tell us of a way to measure the energy of a particular stone that can be done by anyone, then you will have an attentive audience here. If you can not, then I think that many here may brand you a con artist.

13th Dec 2009 14:47 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

That's kinetic energy, Dick, not crystal energy ")

21st Dec 2009 16:49 UTCAmanda Hawkins

So all you sceptics are saying magnetism doesn't exist and has no energetic force at all? A lot of rocks are magnetic. And that's the least of it. There are many more qualities in rocks and crystals that can be classed as a type of energy and are used in many industries. Go research.....

21st Dec 2009 22:11 UTCRock Currier Expert

Amanda,

Of course magnetism exists. Often it is not strong and sensitive instruments are needed to detect and measure it. If however when you talk to us about the energy of your crystals, you will need to specify exactly which kind of energy you are talking about and or what kind of instruments can be used to measure it. Then we are all interested. If you say instead that you only feel the energies yourself. you are not likely to find a receptive audience here. Many of the people on this site will write off your feelings as psychosomatic induced feelings and not "real world" effects. We are all interested in real world effects that everyone can feel or at least detect and measure with the right equipment. Otherwise we enter the realm of religion, witch doctors, spirits, magic etc. All these types of philosophies have had thousands of years to better the situation of man and have in most cases have grandly failed to do so. That is why many of us are so down on them. However if you can show us some real benefits from the "energy" of crystals that will stand the scrutiny of double blind experiments, then we are all ears and very attentive.

10th Aug 2011 20:49 UTCGibby

I attached a photo of Primavera stone that has been worked up for beads. Value is relative eh? Beauty to one is ugly to another.

Gibby

27th Jul 2016 01:05 UTCLori

I have made several necklaces out of the beads. They are gorgeous!! Extremely beautiful. That's all I care about. It seems to be mostly sold out now.

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