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Identity HelpIf I say 'Lemurian Quartz',am I right?

8th Jun 2017 13:09 UTCFaruk Ozmen

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8th Jun 2017 13:11 UTCFaruk Ozmen

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8th Jun 2017 13:14 UTCFaruk Ozmen

Hardness is 7.5

11th Sep 2023 19:50 UTCJames Russ

i believe what you have there is what's called 'Prase' Quartz wih the colour being down to either Hedenberkide or Actinolite, in regrads to 'Lemurian' it is a term given to Quartz with horizontal ladder like striations on the faces, (scientifically called 'Tessin habit') Lemurian is a term from the Metaphysical community but it's grown so popular as a name that even myself usually refer to it as that and not 'Tessin' alas there is no striations on this specimen but a lovely piece of Prase Quartz none the less! 

8th Jun 2017 13:25 UTCDale Foster Manager

Quartz - yes.


Some sort of metaphysical nonsense name - no.

8th Jun 2017 14:48 UTCPeter Nancarrow 🌟 Expert

It is a rather good specimen of quartz crystals which appear to be coloured by abundant very fine inclusions.


Lemurs had nothing to do with its formation.


Pete N.

11th Sep 2023 19:54 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

Peter Nancarrow 🌟 Expert  ✉️

Lemurs had nothing to do with its formation.
 Peter, you made coffee come out through my nose!  ;((

8th Jun 2017 15:38 UTCFaruk Ozmen

Thanks a lot Dale Foster and Peter Nancarrow.

9th Jun 2017 17:32 UTCScott Rider

Further clarrification from Dale. Lemurian is a name coined by the metaphysical people and has absolutely nothing to do with geology or mineral science, specifically. Only thing I can say is that Lemurian = tessin habit quartz. The correct name is tessin, not lemurian.


Your sample is not lemurian/tessin. See: https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?frm_id=pager&cform_is_valid=1&min=3337&loc=&u=&potd=&pco=&d=&showtype=1&phototype=0&checkall=&filtmin=0&filtcountry=0&loctxt=&keywords=tessin&orderxby=&submit_pager=Filter+Search


Here is a couple good ones: https://www.mindat.org/photo-506915.html; https://www.mindat.org/photo-795703.html -- these were just randomly picked.


I agree that you have a nice sample of what I personally would call amphibole included quartz. Some may even call it praise quartz, but I do not follow that verbage. Amphibole included quartz is really what it is...


See: https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?frm_id=pager&cform_is_valid=1&min=3337&loc=&u=&potd=&pco=&d=&showtype=1&phototype=0&checkall=&filtmin=0&filtcountry=0&loctxt=&keywords=amphibole&orderxby=&submit_pager=Filter+Search


They come in all shapes and colors!!!

11th Sep 2023 19:56 UTCJames Russ

Hmmm i think i would definately call this 'Prase' Quartz rather than 'Amphibole' either the result of Hedenbergite or Actinolite..i only say this as most Amphibole Quartz i've seen tend to br a different colour entirely but that's just my opinion!...as for the term Lemurian your abslutely right it was coined by the Metaphysical community however it's grown so common over the years that even now i tend to refer to it as that instead of the correct term of  'Tessin habit' formation! 

12th Sep 2023 15:55 UTCMaxwell Hain

From Dr. L. Feuchtwanger A popular treatise on Gems, 1859

"This mineral is mentioned by Pliny; but it is not certain whether he meant the same substance that we do; more probably he alluded to the emerald; for the same mineral is at the present time called the emerald mother or matrix by jewelers.  Prase occurs massive and crystallized; it has a conchoidal fracture; its translucent on the edges; between vitreous and resinous in lustre; and of a garlic-green color, the cause of which is that actinolite is intermixed with silex"

This is from Bauer's Prescious stones and characteristics and occurrences book, 1904

"It is a translucent variety of quartz with somewhat greasy lustre and leak-green colour.  This last named character is due to the presence of innumerable minute fibres and needles of actinolite enclosed in the otherwise colourless and pure masses of quartz"

From Shipley's Dictionary of Gems and gemology, 4th edition, 1948

"Translucent light grayish yellow green quartz (1) cryptocrystalline (chalcedony) (Dana; Kraus); (2) crystalline and colored by inclusions of actinolite needles. (Smith; Schlossmacher)"


Somewhere along the line the designated color for this material was applied to the material chalcedony, just have to remember that the definition is slightly different between the material and still using the same variety name of Prase. The color of prase has also been applied to opal.

11th Sep 2023 22:33 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

I'd call it plain old everyday Quartz with unknown inclusions (unless of course you have them professionally analysed). 
I also would not describe your quartz as having a Tessin habit.

But then I'm a lumper (not a lemur). 

It's also odd that you will find many sites that say "Lemurian Quartz" is only found in Brazil, so why call it Lemurian when lemurs are only from Madagascar? 

11th Sep 2023 23:21 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

"Lemuria" was a hypothetical continent that supposedly sank under the Indian Ocean. It was biologists who first guessed its existence, to explain how lemurs ended up living in both South Asia and Madagascar, with no connection between them. So yes, there is a connection to lemurs ;))

But "Lemuria" never did exist, and modern plate tectonics makes that pretty obvious. Nevertheless, mystical-minded folk resurrected the notion because they just love the idea of mysterious lost continents (think Atlantis, which at least got mentioned in ancient writings, unlike Lemuria which was just invented by 19th century biologists).

So I'm not sure how "lemurian quartz" got named that way. How did it migrate from the fictional "Lemuria" to Brazil? Those skilled marketing folk again  ;))

Please, please, please go back to calling it Tessin-habit quartz. At least Tessin exists.
 
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