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GeneralNew Mindat Page
17th Apr 2018 14:09 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert
Went on early this AM and what a difference. Still all there but will take a bit of time to see everything and navigate easily.
Jolyon - Big Change!! I know you said it was coming but here it is!
17th Apr 2018 14:14 UTCBruce Cairncross Expert
I was accessing the site here in Johannesburg this morning and then it went off line for a few hours. Then the new format appeared.
I think its excellent, very user friendly with extra features and with a highly "modernized" design, not that the old one was bad!
Well done Jolyn and to any others who might have been involved.
17th Apr 2018 14:30 UTCLuca Baralis Expert
17th Apr 2018 14:38 UTCRui Nunes 🌟 Expert
17th Apr 2018 14:41 UTCOwen Lewis
17th Apr 2018 15:19 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
As you probably discovered, clicking the background image behind the search bar makes it go full screen.
You can then press "1" and "2" to switch between show with borders or show full screen cropped view.
17th Apr 2018 15:35 UTCTimothy Greenland
Thank you Jolyon
Tim
17th Apr 2018 15:46 UTCGerhard Niklasch Expert
Everything I've clicked on so far just... works as expected. That's impressive. If every major software upgrade everywhere was done this carefully, troubleshooting folks like me would be out of their day jobs. :-)
(OK, just spotting two small glitches after all, here in the message-composition form: the "src" and "help" button icons seem to be missing. The HTML page is looking for them at /phorum5/mods/bbcode/icons/src.gif and /phorum5/phorum5/mods/editor_tools/icons/help.gif respectively. The latter path has one "phorum/" too many; not sure about the former.)
And now I am wondering which copper compounds have been used for the colour scheme. ;-)
Cheers, Gerhard
17th Apr 2018 15:48 UTCKyle Bayliff
17th Apr 2018 15:59 UTCDonald B Peck Expert
Don
17th Apr 2018 16:10 UTCErin Delventhal Manager
It's a Hansonburg District inspired theme - spangolite and brochantite with some altered galena.
Erin
17th Apr 2018 16:18 UTCMonica Kitt
Jolyon, looks great!
17th Apr 2018 19:40 UTCAlfred L. Ostrander
17th Apr 2018 20:25 UTCScott Rider
The site runs much better in my phone!! It used to load very sluggishly and this version seems much faster and way more responsive!
17th Apr 2018 20:38 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
Now that it's up and running, it appears to look even better than in development.......
17th Apr 2018 20:51 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
17th Apr 2018 20:55 UTCDonald Lapham 🌟
17th Apr 2018 20:56 UTCKyle Bayliff
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> @Kyle, the Articles appear in the teal horizontal
> menu toward the right side. Dealer updates are
> toward the bottom on the right side above "Our
> Supporters"
>
> Jolyon, looks great!
Aha! I see it now that I'm on my laptop. I was using my mobile phone earlier, and these menus did not show. It might be worth going back to make sure everything is still accessible on mobile as well.
17th Apr 2018 21:23 UTCMalcolm Southwood 🌟 Expert
I like it very much!
17th Apr 2018 21:46 UTCNick Gilly
17th Apr 2018 22:02 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
I have the same issues as Donald re the locality map on the desktop, no problem on the phone. Windows 7 is my OS.
17th Apr 2018 22:03 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
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> My only question is..... if I am a brand new
> visitor to Mindat (never been here before), how do
> I know where to go on the homepage to have my
> specimen identified?
Perhaps for someone who wants us to do something for them for free they should earn the right for us to help by actually figuring this out themselves :)
17th Apr 2018 22:04 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Which browser?
Internet Explorer is no longer supported, so if you're using Windows 7 you should switch to Chrome or Firefox.
17th Apr 2018 22:23 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
17th Apr 2018 22:52 UTCDoug Schonewald
17th Apr 2018 22:53 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
17th Apr 2018 22:54 UTCryan christensen
17th Apr 2018 23:16 UTCアーロン ベリル
18th Apr 2018 00:23 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
thanks! this bug is now fixed.
Also, you can type in "gypsum from morocco images" or "gypsum from morocco photos" into the front page search box now.
18th Apr 2018 01:22 UTCJeff Weissman Expert
18th Apr 2018 02:33 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
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> Perhaps for someone who wants us to do something
> for them for free they should earn the right for
> us to help by actually figuring this out
> themselves :)
I guess you're right. I'll drop this line of thought; after all, a frustrated new user (and potential new donor) is a great way to promote the usefulness of the site.
18th Apr 2018 04:11 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
Don’t know how any colour blind folks would find it but I find it difficult and I’m not c/b.
I realise the buttons change once selected.
Cheers
18th Apr 2018 04:16 UTCMartin Rich Expert
Anyway, all in all great work!
Martin
18th Apr 2018 07:24 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
18th Apr 2018 07:36 UTCEddy Vervloet Manager
Why do you not support IE anymore? I never wanted any of the others!
Eddy
18th Apr 2018 07:57 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Microsoft Edge (not Internet Explorer)
Mozilla Firefox (latest versions)
Chrome (latest versions)
Safari (latest versions)
As you can see Internet Explorer really doesn't work well with modern web designs, and so we will NOT support it - sorry.
18th Apr 2018 08:20 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Remember - out of date browsers are FAR more likely to make you vulnerable to security attacks on your computer from malicious websites or even malicious adverts on otherwise legitimate websites.
It is not safe to use old browsers. Upgrade!
18th Apr 2018 08:58 UTCBrenton Mah
18th Apr 2018 09:40 UTCRik Dillen Expert
When opening MINDAT today I saw the following quite rude message:
>>>>>Sorry - you are using an old, incompatible browser. Internet Explorer and older browser versions are not supported and may not display correctly. Please try Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox.
Edge causes a lot of trouble with e.g. our online banking system and several other systems, and Google Chrome is causing incompatibility problems and interferes with other Microsoft components (e.g. try to get rid of Chrome once it's installed !!).
So bear in mind that those browsers generate a lot of problems as well! I have no intention to install a specific browser for each website!
Just make the website (also) compatible with Internet Explorer again instead. If your members want to cope (and remedy) with the supposed vulnerabilities of I.E. that's their own choice and responsibility.
BTW, the language of the message on the top of the home page of MINDAT sounds aggressive and rather humiliating.
18th Apr 2018 10:04 UTCRik Dillen Expert
18th Apr 2018 10:06 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
18th Apr 2018 11:10 UTCErik Vercammen Expert
18th Apr 2018 13:10 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
That colour contrast is much better on both iPhone and PC
Cheers
18th Apr 2018 13:28 UTCJohn R. Montgomery 🌟 Expert
18th Apr 2018 19:58 UTCMatt Ciranni
This is not actually the case with me. I am using Internet Explorer 11, which is the latest and greatest version; I don't know why the website thinks it is an "old and incompatible browser." I get that older versions of I.E. are not exactly desirable to use anymore, and I wouldn't see the need to support those either. But the website looks fine and loads correctly otherwise, and I like it!!! Thanks and great job.
18th Apr 2018 20:16 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support
18th Apr 2018 22:14 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
So no, IE11 is not compatible with modern web technology, which is why Microsoft have abandoned developing it any further.
Jolyon
18th Apr 2018 22:49 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Can you try disabling all of the chrome plugins that may be installed temporarily and see if that improves things?
19th Apr 2018 01:22 UTCRuss Rizzo Expert
19th Apr 2018 02:38 UTCBrenton Mah
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> Brenton,
>
> Can you try disabling all of the chrome plugins
> that may be installed temporarily and see if that
> improves things?
Hi Jolyon,
Seems that the front page images at least are now working for me before I even attempted your suggestion. Hopefully it will remain that way. Still, I've disabled extensions, and also attempted to disable plugins altogether on Chrome. Nothing seems to be any different.
However, there are still some images that do not work for me: 1) some that work in IE while broken in Chrome, 2) some that do not show up in either browser. An example of 1) is the icon of the src button within the textbox messaging options...shows up as the proper icon in IE while the icon picture is broken in Chrome. An example of 2) is the left photo showcasing baryte at this link: https://www.mindat.org/loc-233423.html
This image seems to be broken in both Chrome and IE. On Chrome, when you right click an image and select "Open image in new tab", the image should show up. However, for this image, I get this error message:
Warning: Division by zero in /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php on line 261
Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to a member function fetch_object() on boolean in /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php:178 Stack trace: #0 /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php(267): imgcache->findscaled(0, 0, NAN) #1 /home/mindat/www/arphoto.php(16): imgcache->get(0, 0) #2 {main} thrown in /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php on line 178
19th Apr 2018 15:18 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert
Regarding POD, I would prefer that the preview show a slice of the photo in correct proportion rather than the entire image, squashed out of shape.
For my part I hate trying to keep up with the perpetual obsolescence of computer technology. I have a BS in computer science; computers were fun back when we controlled them and they worked for us. When that relationship reversed a decade or two ago I lost interest in trying to keep up.
19th Apr 2018 15:38 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
19th Apr 2018 19:54 UTCPeter K. Szarka
Despite the new format and despite changing my browser to Chrome, the same problems persist for me that I've mentioned a number of times over the past few years.
The first attempt to log in always fails.
The second attempt to log in succeeds but does not show me logged in. The only way I know I'm logged in is that the message boards indicate unread threads in red.
I have not seen the Logout button in years.
Even if logged in, I am unable to comment on member's articles such as the various show visits.
I am unable to add photos anywhere but the message board.
Even so, I find the site eminently useful and refer to it on an almost daily basis. Thanks.
20th Apr 2018 08:22 UTCEddy Vervloet Manager
For as far as I can tell of course! ;)
I realise I am becoming a dinosaur, but I do not use a smartphone... and the fact that
more and more sites are designed to fit on those tiny screens make them look silly
on my 19 inch screen, of which the outer 4 inches are hardly used anymore!
Fine, I am using a very old computer. Why not? It still works fine!
Running edge on windows 7 is a nightmare, I hear from people who know.
And besides, Jolyon, I checked my favourites. I have just under 300 websites there
that I use on a regular basis. None of them has an issue with my 'old' browser.
Mindat is the first site that tells me they no longer support my browser!
I will have to live with the fact I am becoming a minority I guess. But I sure think
I am not alone...
Eddy
8th Oct 2019 07:00 UTCBart Cannon
The fast changing tech world is getting bad for analytical applications. Used to be that a product was good for 10 years until it became legacy gear. Now it's about 2.5 years. Princeton Gamma Tech has thousands of EDS systems for electron microscopy around the World. They were recently bought by Bruker, I think, and the usurper did not keep any of the PGT staff. Everyone is out of luck, including me.
8th Oct 2019 21:38 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
20th Apr 2018 11:53 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
I'm not entirely sure you have noticed, but the new home page uses MORE of your 19" screen than the old one! It has been designed to make better use of your screen, not just for smartphone!
Edge does not work on Windows 7, it is only for Windows 10 (officially) , so on Windows 7 your only options are Chrome, Firefox or Opera (I don't *officially* support Opera, but it seems to work fine with Mindat)
The problem is that to support Internet Explorer is not just a matter of some small changes, it requires almost TWO entirely different versions of the home page, one for modern browsers, one for Internet Explorer. Less than 7% of our users use Internet Explorer (probably a lot less, as many bots report themselves as Internet Explorer to avoid detection) so we really can't justify the cost of developing IE support - especially when IE is now being replaced by Edge on Windows.
Fortunately, I think the internal pages work better on IE than the home page. Remember, we are not deliberately making IE stop working, I would love it if there were easy ways to make the site work with IE.
If anyone wants to take this on as a project, and provide an easy CSS or Javascript fix to make the new site work better with IE, then I'd be delighted to implement it. I just don't have the time to do this myself.
Jolyon
20th Apr 2018 14:24 UTCBrandon Aldinger
I really like the new webpage format. I've been mostly a passive reader of the site over the years, but have found it very helpful in my work on inclusions in glass. I just discovered the "search by element" feature, which I thought was very nicely executed.
In any case, I am using Windows 10 with the Edge browser, and the POTD on the home page appears vertically compressed until you click on it. From what I gather above, that should not be happening, so I wanted to let you know.
Thank you for your work on the site,
Brandon
20th Apr 2018 15:40 UTCScott Rider
Tilting the phone to widescreen view doesn't fix it, as it keeps the original perspective. When I select use desktop version, it fixes the issue, so I have to do that every time I view something in a gallery. So something with my Chrome is cutting off half the image from the screen. I don't like other mobile browsers, they all seem to have one or two problems and Chrome seems to be the most reliable at the moment... Any ideas why Chrome can't fit the screen properly?
My desktop looks great and runs really well so I have yet to see any problems there!
20th Apr 2018 15:48 UTCScott Rider
Other than that, I really, really like the responsiveness of the site. It, for me at least, is much faster to search, to load pages, and images pop up much, much faster!! Overall, great job!!
20th Apr 2018 18:31 UTCThomas Lühr Expert
With other words, they seem to be correctly scaled, but positioned somewhat to much to the right.
20th Apr 2018 21:37 UTCKristi Hugs
20th Apr 2018 23:38 UTCDoug Schonewald
I too am using IE. I am also using Windows 8.1. I purposely ordered my system with Windows 8.0 because I have several remote devices that don't function with Windows 10. I did not want to have to replace those devices just to change to Windows 10 and Edge.
There is a work-around for Windows 7 & 8 if you wish to use Edge but it is cumbersome and doesn't function well so I stayed with IE. Chrome is a resource hog and gobbles RAM, Mindat is an important part of my computer use but it is not the only use and I find Chrome doesn't work for me and my system well. I uninstalled it. The older version of Firefox was also a resource gobbler and while they say the new version is better I hesitate to bother with it. Since I seldom, if ever, look at the home page IE seems to be working fine for me. As I get deeper maybe I'll see problems I don't see now. Just in case I exported my catalog to my desk-top. If it becomes a major problem I can always go back to cataloging the old way.
21st Apr 2018 08:21 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
If you are seeing the image vertically compressed then you have an out-of-date version of Microsoft Edge installed. Please make sure you run Windows Update and get your system up to date.
Scott
There is a known problem with photos being offset on mobile on some pages which I am working on fixing!
Douglas
As mentioned above we can't support IE any more. Some pages will work, some won't. If mindat is important to you I suggest you try Firefox again.
21st Apr 2018 13:26 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert
I use Mozilla Firefox on Windows 10 at home, and I am completely satisfied with it as a web browser. I don't use Edge, Chrome, or Explorer at all when I can avoid it. Everything I have tried so far in Mindat works fine under Firefox, with one exception: on a specimen page, the scroll ribbon for the popup caption works backward--you have to mouse upward to make the text move down and vice versa.
21st Apr 2018 13:40 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Apr 2018 16:48 UTCScott Rider
21st Apr 2018 19:28 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Apr 2018 23:00 UTCThomas Lühr Expert
22nd Apr 2018 03:21 UTCMartin Rich Expert
24th Apr 2018 10:34 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert
It goes away when I log in.
So, many sites have an option to stay logged in - would that be a possibility?
Another solution would be to rephrase this information and move it to a more discrete place - "Mindat support only the following browsers - X, Y, Z...
keep up the good work
cheers
24th Apr 2018 10:51 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
I must say I'm getting used to all the changes and they all seem for the better and Mindat does seem to work a little faster as well.
Thanks
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