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LocalitiesMała Panew River alluvials, Opole County, Opole Voivodeship, Poland

9th May 2019 07:37 UTCKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Can I ask what's this locality?? No references, no minerals - just a river?

9th May 2019 07:47 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

The description says gold was found in the river. But no reference is given, and whoever added the locality seems to either have not gotten around yet to adding gold to the mineral list, or opted not to do so for some undetermined reason (perhaps they were unable to provide a reference for it besides just hearsay?)

9th May 2019 08:52 UTCŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

I'm unfamiliar with this strange locality. Will take a look at Lis & Sylwestrzak boom but I do not recognize it to be there, as it is dedicated to the Lower Silesia.

9th May 2019 15:20 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

It was added by Kuba Kornaga.

Kuba - if you read this: you have to give references for such information.

9th May 2019 18:41 UTCKrzysztof Andrzejewski

In 2015 Polish gold prospector Janusz Ćwiertnia, found a bit of native gold in the sediments of the Mała Panew River near Luboszyce. There are a few movies on YouTube with Info that samples was sent to the Faculty of Geology of the University of Wrocław

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKLylSC-gZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYNn8Nirjjw

+ garnets and magnetite in the heavy fraction

10th May 2019 15:54 UTCKuba Kornaga

2018 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDUk7yhvRZI

… and more pospectors

There are probably no publications on this topic yet ...

14th May 2019 10:02 UTCKuba Kornaga

I am very interested in your opinion on this subject?

14th May 2019 10:55 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Both a suitable ref. and gold are still missing - just add it.

14th May 2019 14:51 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen 🌟 Manager

Kuba:

> There are probably no publications on this topic yet ...

I do not read Polish, but it seems to be an article on the gold in Mała Panew here:

https://yadda.icm.edu.pl/baztech/element/bwmeta1.element.baztech-fde445cf-0fbe-4a3e-bfc4-d0c44f7c7dc5

Examples on what are suitable references and how to enter them you find in the Mindat Manual here:

https://www.mindat.org/a/mindatmanual

https://www.mindat.org/a/references

14th May 2019 18:49 UTCKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Knut Edvard Larsen Wrote:

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I do not read Polish, but it seems to be an article on the gold in Mała Panew here:

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- Knut - great job! I added traditional references, changed 'Locality type' to 'Alluvial Deposit (Research Phase)' - first discovered: 2015; Age: 541 ± 1.0 Ma to present day + abstract from that paper.

Kuba Kornaga Wrote:

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> I am very interested in your opinion on this subject?

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- this is curiosity, interesting because from unexpected area

15th May 2019 12:02 UTCKuba Kornaga

Krzysztof Andrzejewski Wrote:

- this is curiosity, interesting because from unexpected area

Uważam, że podobnych ciekawostek jest jeszcze wiele do poznania, a czasami i do odkrycia na nowo ...

Dla zaintesowanych tematem, mogę dodać:

... że na wcześniejszych odcinkach rzeki, prowadzono działania zmieniające bieg rzeki. Nie wiadomo tylko ile razy, jak często i w jakim stopniu. Było to spowodowane występowaniem łatwymi w wydobyciu złożami żelaza bagiennego, które doprowadziły do powstania na tych terenach centrum wytopu żelaza. Takie działania napewno doprowadziły do podmycia i wymycia całkiem nowych terenów, na których mógł zalegać nieprzewidywalny dotychczas materiał, a który trafił do nurtu rzecznego Małej Panwii ...

... wczesne budowanie systemów melioracyjnych na tych obszarach także miały duży wpływ na materiał odprowadzający do Małej Panwii ...

... kolejna sprawa to sam proces wytopu żelaza w bliskich okolicach nurtu rzeki na jej stosunkowo długim odcinku. Co najmniej od kilkuset lat prowadzono tam wydobycie rud darniowych i wytapiano żelazo. Bóg jeden wie ile przez ten czas wytopiono tutaj żelaza, a napewno w piecach pojawiało się nie tylko żelazo. Jedne z zapisków mówią, że w latach 80 XIX wieku w jednym z licznych na tym terenie pieców, wytopiono około 400 ton żelaza.

Czy złoto Małej Panwii nie może być efektem już średniowiecznego przetopu żelaza na tych terenach i być poprostu częścią odpadu hutniczego. Który, jak by nie patrzeć wala się się po całym terenie. Wielokrotnie widziałem ładne i kolorowe żwiry hutnicze i szlaki hutnicze ładnie wypłukiwane w okolicznych rzeczkach czy potoczkach.

Złoto w polskich rzekach często spotykane jest w towarzystkie tzw. sferulek, często branych za stary zniszczony śrut. Podobne sferulki można spotkać w wielu odpadach i żwirach hutniczych ...

Fajnie by było przeczytać coś o postępujących pracach poszukiwawczych na tym terenie :)

PS. I write in Polish, because there would be too many mistakes in Google translation

16th May 2019 00:48 UTCKuba Kornaga

... and this mercury in the tested samples ...

... in addition to pure gold (95% of samples) in those with admixtures of other minerals, only silver was found ...

heretic nonsense :)

say something

17th May 2019 11:11 UTCKuba Kornaga

... in 1790 in Tarnowskie Góry an attempt was made to recover gold and silver from the metallurgical waste of the Złoty Stok, with the help of mercury … In 1801, this method of amalgam was used ...

… also in the smelters and furnaces in the area of Mała Panew, they could do similar procedures and not necessarily from local material …

... and this scaly structure of examined gold flakes, of similar size ... usually it is not so uniform ...

17th May 2019 11:34 UTCKrzysztof Andrzejewski

- did you read the scientific work which found Knut ??

"The presence of gold in the Opole region is related to the Warta glaciation and the emergence of the Wroclaw-Bremen ice-marginal valley at the glacial forehead. "

17th May 2019 12:55 UTCKuba Kornaga

Yes, i read this work about using a concentrator in searching for gold … and I read this:

… The area of the presented research is most probably related to the Warta glaciation and the emergence of the Wrocław-Bremen ice-marginal glade at the forehead. The present Mała Panew river is mainly eroded by post-glacial and quaternary sediments. Analyzing gilts and their elemental composition, it is impossible to diagnose the origin of gold found next to Opole

… This is not a work about the origin of gold ...

17th May 2019 14:57 UTCKrzysztof Andrzejewski

I do not know anything about aluvial gold, so I will don't speak about new theories

18th May 2019 00:00 UTCKuba Kornaga

… internet wrze … a elita milczy …

… ale chyba lepiej rzucić hasło typu "złoty pociąg" - i zaraz cała europa się interesuje … kolejny ewenement w naszym kochanym kraju …

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