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PhotosHingganite-(Y) - Furka basis tunnel, Oberwald, Goms, Wallis, Switzerland

24th Jul 2017 17:33 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Stephan:


This is almost identical in colour to my "Gadolinite" from Piz Rondandura. How did you determine it was Hingganite-(Y)?

24th Jul 2017 18:47 UTCStephan Wolfsried Expert

Hi Richard,


bevore Hingganite-Y was described in 2008 all alpine Hingganites-Y were labeled as Gadolinite.

This one was published in the "Schweizer Strahler" in 1979 as Gadolinite.

The Furka Basis Tunnel was built in the 1970s, went into service 1982.

One of my specimen came out of the collection of Alex Kipfer ("the Micromounter"), and it had also a label "Gadolinite".

The light green colour was a reason to have doubts and I let Günter Blass doing an analysis.

EDX: 4.7% Al, 55.3% Si, 1.1% Cl, 3.4% K, 6.1% Ca, 2.4% Fe, 21.7% Y, 0.6% Ce, 1.3% Nd, 1.3% Sm, 1.2% Gd, 1% Dy

So at least the Furka Basis Tunnel material is Hingganite-Y.


I think it is more than likely that Your Rondadura specimen is also Hingganite-Y.


Cheers Stephan

24th Jul 2017 19:05 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Stephan:


Thank you for the information, I will change my header accordingly. The Rondadura crystals are colourless rather than light green but that may be because they are so tiny.

24th Jul 2017 23:46 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Pavel;


I agree with your emojis. It is good to finally have analyses for these Alpine Gadolinite Group minerals. I was hoping for data like this when I asked.

25th Jul 2017 00:42 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

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Frankly speaking professionals looking at minerals by another eyes than even advanced collectors. As you may to see, it was clear to me 10 years ago, that these Alpine "gadolinites" are mostly hingganites without any analyses.

When you long time are interested in Gadolinite group minerals, you begin to distinguish them by colors quite easy. I am looking on them very intimately during past 40 years.


When I collected this sample

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in 1990 in pegmatite overfilled with hingganites (which surrounds it even at these photos), it was quite clear for me, that this is gadolinite-(Y). But analyticaly confirmed this fact became only very recently
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25th Jul 2017 08:16 UTCStephan Wolfsried Expert

Pavel,


as You can see I listen to You....


Cheers Stephan
 
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