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PhotosSalammoniac - Coronel Manuel Rodríguez mine, Mejillones peninsula, Mejillones, Antofagasta Province, Antofagasta Region, Chile
24th May 2018 17:31 UTCŁukasz Kruszewski Expert
24th May 2018 17:53 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
I agree that tenorite is extremely unlikely.
The locality page says:
"NOTE on the mineral list: "kröhnkite" and "blödite" collected at a small pond approximately 2.7 km from the workings at Coronel Manuel Rodriguez Mine turned out to be salammoniac (coloured by inclusions of copper minerals) and lecontite, respectively (e-rocks-link below)."
24th May 2018 19:18 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
25th May 2018 07:56 UTCHartmut Hensel Expert
That's again one of many examples where a helpful description is completely missing from my point of view and I wonder why such photos are approved.
25th May 2018 13:31 UTCNadya Georgieva Expert
The lecontite crystals are covered by white coating. New analysis identified that the white coating consists of two rare sulfates mascagnite and thenardite.
31st May 2019 09:19 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
see https://www.mindat.org/mesg-105-464001.html
1st Jun 2019 06:51 UTCDavid Flynn
It's roughly 10-15km SOUTH of Antofagasta, 50km from Colonel Manuel Rodriguez Mine, and OVER 100km from La Escondida Mina, which I've seen mentioned as well.
I've attached photos from the research I've done.
1st Jun 2019 07:51 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
1st Jun 2019 08:03 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
1st Jun 2019 08:06 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
1st Jun 2019 08:10 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
1st Jun 2019 09:38 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
And the horrendous geographic misplacement could be just some dealer trying to hide the easy collecting spot from competitors.
1st Jun 2019 10:03 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
1st Jun 2019 14:32 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
1st Jun 2019 16:04 UTCDavid Flynn
Are we for sure there are any mining operations close by the updated location that could account for this?
1st Jun 2019 18:03 UTCDavid Flynn
Geographically speaking, this looks like maybe it could have been a collection of water coming down from the mountains?
1st Jun 2019 18:48 UTCDavid Flynn
"I don't see the tell tail signs of tunneling or quarrying. Almost looks like they cut in and found it. There's the possibility that it could be a spring that allowed the material to percolate out of the ore body and ended up in the bottom of the valley. That's how calcites form in pegmatites at the King mine. They gather up all the calcium in or around the peg body and recrystallize in pocket."
1st Jun 2019 18:52 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260310630_Ammonia_leaching_in_the_copper_industry_a_review
... Which, as I'll reiterate again, doesn't bother me from a collector point of view as, like many other collectors, I'm quite fascinated by semi-anthropogenic crystals and keep several different kinds in my collection, but our mineralogical database purposes do require noting the distinction.
1st Jun 2019 18:55 UTCDavid Flynn
1st Jun 2019 19:32 UTCDavid Flynn
Ammonia is a by-product of volcanic eruption which nobody has connected yet.
1st Jun 2019 20:29 UTCDavid Flynn
1st Jun 2019 20:45 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
https://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,105,464001,464306,page=2#msg-464306
1st Jun 2019 23:21 UTCDavid Flynn
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> Wrong theory, see
> https://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,105,464001,4
> 64306,page=2#msg-464306
Uwe,
Before writing it off, do you actually have any proof this area was used for copper mining? All I see is heresay and rumors.
Until two days ago, nobody knew where the pond was and I found it.
2nd Jun 2019 00:51 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
2nd Jun 2019 02:46 UTCDavid Flynn
I have not made any conclusion on my findings because as of a week ago, we knew a lot less about this find than we do now. It just feels good to investigate all options and rule them out in order to find the right one.
This is totally a man-made pond from my research, I just wanted to eliminate all other options first and ask question that came up for me.
I feel like that's the right way to do it.
2nd Jun 2019 06:12 UTCDavid Flynn
2nd Jun 2019 06:36 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
2nd Jun 2019 14:15 UTCGerhard Möhn Expert
Years ago they run ammonia leaching of copper ore there. It seems to be better to let the toxic waste liquids dry in the desert than to put it into the ocean. Informations you can find in internet under,,minera escondida". On Wikimapia the pond is designated as mine tailings of Escondida mine.
Although I was not there yet, I think it's the right place to find the beautiful (semi)artificial crystals.
It seems to be that Lecontite decomposes into Thenardite and Mascagnite due to dehydration. So better store it sealed.
By the way: Blue and green copper bearing natural Salammoniac is known from Pabellón de Pica.
2nd Jun 2019 21:19 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
3rd Jun 2019 02:24 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
Anyway, in a message above Gerhard Möhn wrote: "The pond is nearby Coloso south of Antofagasta. At Coloso there is the port with some other facilities of Escondida mine. Years ago they run ammonia leaching of copper ore there. It seems to be better to let the toxic waste liquids dry in the desert than to put it into the ocean. Informations you can find in internet under ,,minera escondida". On Wikimapia the pond is designated as mine tailings of Escondida mine."
David Flynn had mentioned that the "pond" was over 100 km from La Escondida Mine. On the La Escondida Mine locality page ( https://www.mindat.org/loc-39272.html ) I saw the following: NOTE: Lecontite, salammonic and blödite sold as coming from "A small pond approximately 2.7 km from the workings" at the "Coronel Manuel Rodriguez Mine" are actually anthropogenic compounds from a tailings pond at the Escondida mine, see https://www.mindat.org/mesg-105-464001.html
My point: as Pavel Kartashov suggested on May 28 in https://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,105,464001,page=1 the "pond" should probably be a sublocality. The mine and "pond" are over 145 km apart (the yellow line is what the measurement refers to). There is a tailings pond that is much closer and to the south of the mine, but from what we've discussed over the past few days I believe the "pond" is where the specimens in question originated. Thoughts?
Here's a Google Earth view of the Triangle that Frank mentioned:
3rd Jun 2019 02:36 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
actually, my triangle extends even further north and west along the west arm than your illustration shows... the purported Coronel Manuel Rodríguez mine is apparently west of the Pan American Highway (route 1), about a third of the way up from the southern coast of that large blocky peninsula (the Mejillones Peninsula) that juts into the Pacific NNW of Antofagasta.
3rd Jun 2019 03:21 UTCDavid Flynn
This supports our inkling that the “pond” is indeed the source.
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