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Identity HelpWulfenite possible location required pls.

23rd Nov 2019 03:55 UTCGreg Dainty

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I realize this is a long shot but some person may be able to help with a possible location for this sweet wulfenite specimen , there is no matrix its all wulfenite. Size is 41 x 28 x 21mm. It came from an old collection with no label, but it was sitting next to a labeled San Francisco mine piece. The difference between the two specimens, gives me some doubt that it is from that location. Having personally seen few specimen from this location, I do not have the ability to judge. Thanks in advance.

23rd Nov 2019 04:11 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Greg

Looks Moroccoan to me

Cheers

23rd Nov 2019 07:59 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Agree. But it's far from guaranteed.

23rd Nov 2019 08:42 UTCJohn Sobolewski 🌟 Expert

Could be from Sidi Amer in Morocco. John S.

23rd Nov 2019 08:44 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Agree no guarantee. 
Given it's from an old Australian collection, there were a number of Aussie dealers that had Moroccoan Wulfenites back in the early 1980s (Touissit-Bou Beker district).

And yes, Mexico has produced similar.

23rd Nov 2019 13:27 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

yes, Touisssit-Bou Beker district, with high probability

23rd Nov 2019 18:58 UTCFrancis X Dzubeck

Greg

By any chance do you have a date when the specimen entered the collection? Reason being, if it was in he 1980's, it would have been labeled "Putis IX Mine" or just "Touisst." They were first brought out by Victor Yount in 1982. Them an mass in the latter 1980's by Moroccan/European dealers. The date will tel the story. If it entered the collection latter in the 1990's -2000's it could be from Mexico at a locality called the "Mitchell Prospect in Mun. de Rayon, Sonora. Wulfenite similar to your specimen came into the Market at the Tucson Show during that time period.

Frank

23rd Nov 2019 23:50 UTCGreg Dainty

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Yes I think Morocco is most likely the origin of the specimen. Thanks everybody for their help, particularly Franks detailed reply. Frank the origin of the specimen is almost certainly the very early 1980s, as the collection has been in storage since then. There were also a number of other early 1980s specimen in the collection. Including this greenish yellow anglesite, pictured.

I do remember that some Moroccan anglesites had been treated to give color, I was wondering if anybody could advise me if this may have been the case with the pictured specimen? Again thank you everybody for your replies, very appreciated.

24th Nov 2019 00:24 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

As far as I know it was red anglesites that were coloured, the yellow ones were ligit.
And it is "Puit IX", i.e. pit/adit no. 9.

24th Nov 2019 14:03 UTCErik Vercammen Expert

French is the second language in Belgium and the right form is "Puits"

24th Nov 2019 17:04 UTCFrancis X Dzubeck

Greg

The Anglesites of this type all come out at the same time as the Wulfenites and the yellow-green type were alwat=ys in a Galena matrix. The off matrix ones were lager perfect crystals. In actuality the treated ones were of a clear Amber color and tended to be larger crystals to make greater profit. I never did see a red Anglesite in the 1980's. Also, I agree with Erik. I tend to use the labeling language that was provided with the specimen. In the 1980's all Morocan martial had a locality label in French and as I said before, had only two localities - Putis IX or Touisst!

Frank

24th Nov 2019 17:33 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

I admit to be wrong on the singular form of the French word for pit/adit/shaft, I missed an "s", i.e. it should be "Puits IX" (thanks Eric!) but neither "Putis" nor "Touisst" are spelling forms that I have seen before. 
Wulfenites were most frequently quoted as comming from Zelidja or Bou Beker, whereas for anglesite the locality was usually stated Touissit.

This link provides data on the district and the sublocalities:

26th Nov 2019 14:46 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

> And it is "Puit IX", i.e. pit/adit no. 9.

No, puits means shaft.

 
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