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Identity HelpJust really want to know what this is?

26th Oct 2020 22:35 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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Thank you  for your time. This was something on my grandfathers shelf, I never asked him while he was alive what it is. It is kinda weighty in the hand, and I really think it looks like rusted metal, or something you would find stuck in an old pipe. It has this bumpy fuzzy green on top.

Here are more pictures https://imgur.com/gallery/yhl4WA3

26th Oct 2020 22:42 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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Here are the other pictures, sorry not sure if I was able to put more than one in one post.

26th Oct 2020 22:43 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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pic 3

26th Oct 2020 22:44 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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pic 4, more accurate coloration of the top green part. It only looks like that lighter lime in the light, not transparent.

26th Oct 2020 22:44 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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backside

29th Oct 2020 01:19 UTCHolger Hartmaier 🌟

Hi Elizabeth,
I realize this came from an old collection with no data. However, one helpful test to make to help identify the green mineral is to place a drop of vinegar on it to see if there is any fizz reaction. If so, the mineral is probably calcite. 

I'm going to take a stab at identification in the meantime- at first I thought this was a drill core sample, but it looks like it has a tapered shape, with one end having a larger diameter than the other. Also there are some irregularities on the surface that possibly point to this being a fossil, perhaps of a cephalopod. The rounded, smoothed end, if not artificially polished resembles the distal end of a cephalopod. The item itself lacks evidence of an actual "shell", so it could be a relict mold of the original fossil. See attached link for further details and description. 


Cheers,
Holger

29th Oct 2020 02:47 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

Thank you for your help. So I tried out the vinegar on the green bit and there was no reaction. Also I have taken the measurements of the top and bottom circumference and they are pretty spot on the same, so when you said core sample that really always seemed how it looked to me. Granted looking like one thing or the other to me really means nothing because I have zero experience identifying anything.
 I took a video for better viewing.
 

29th Oct 2020 02:19 UTCDean Allum Expert

Hello Elizabeth,
It would help our guess if you inform us of which part of the world this is from.

It occurs to me that this might be an assay ingot. These are produced by mining assay offices to determine the richness of the ore being mined.

Perhaps our local assayer Don Saathoff will see this and comment.

29th Oct 2020 07:37 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

I wish that I knew for sure, it was my grandfather's. We are from Texas, but that in no way means that is where he got it. This was just a small piece on a little curio shelf he had in his bathroom, when he passed I kept it simply because I thought that it looked really neat. I know he had equipment for cutting rocks in the garage. 

29th Oct 2020 02:47 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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Measurement around the top.

29th Oct 2020 02:48 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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Around the bottom.

29th Oct 2020 02:49 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

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Weight is 2.01 oz.

29th Oct 2020 14:44 UTCHolger Hartmaier 🌟

Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks for the video. It provides a better view. I would suggest testing the hardness next. Use the point of a steel knife or pin and try scratching the green mineral in a small obscure area (so you don't noticeably damage it) as well as the brown host rock. I noticed on the video that the smooth, rounded end seems to be a distinct darker brown layer. Test that as well.

With regards to the vinegar test, sometimes the reaction is subdued, so you could try repeating it using pickling vinegar which is more concentrated. The usual test is with dilute hydrochloric acid, but if it scratches with the knife and you see a reaction, it is likely calcite. Check the host rock for a reaction as well.

29th Oct 2020 19:53 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

I used my seam ripper (hope that is an ok thing to use) and made a little scratch on all of the surfaces that you mentioned. It scratches very easily. I think it is quite brittle and maybe chalky. Also the broken areas I believe have happened at some point while it was in my little box of keepsakes. It is a metal box with coins, I think it just chipped off on those spots.

29th Oct 2020 20:05 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

I also wanted to mention that I think that dark brown on the outside looks like rust, it is very reddish and I think it is just lightly coating the outside. Mr. Saathoff has suggested that maybe it was something that built up in a pipe. If it was a metal pipe could it leave this rusty color?

29th Oct 2020 15:04 UTCDon Saathoff Expert

Hello Elizabeth,

There is nothing in my fire assay experience that would produce such an item - sorry!  It reminds me of material from the inside of a sump pipe, possibly from a well pump?  I have pulled drain-pipe (~3") completely lined with lime with an opening reduced to ~1/2".  In a sump, the water has no place to go so the minerals (whatever happens to be in the water) can settle & crystallize.  Just a thought....

Don

29th Oct 2020 19:54 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

When I look at it I cannot help but think it looks like something that would be stuck in a pipe.

29th Oct 2020 20:08 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

I mentioned your thoughts to Mr. Hartmaier above when speaking of the color on the outside looking rusty. Do you think it could be from a metal pipe which has left a rusty color on the outside.

29th Oct 2020 17:19 UTCKyle Beucke 🌟

Looks to me like a porous rock (perhaps altered and leached by hydrothermal action) that was later silicified and coated by chalcdony/opal (visible in vugs other than exposed face).  It happened to break along a vuggy portion (exposed face).  The mystery then would be: Why the elongate shape?  Could be a weird core sample?

Kyle

29th Oct 2020 21:50 UTCIan Nicastro

I have an idea that has not been discussed already as per the shape.  Metaphysical curio shops often sell rocks that have been turned into candle holders by drilling out a portion that can fit a glass cylinder that a tea light would sit in (I see this with hunks of rose quartz, or small plates of south american amethyst, etc...). To me this would approximately fit that size and depth. But I am not certain of the species identity and I wouldn't expect the outside of the drilled out piece to look as smoothed as this unless the suppliers tried to lightly polish it down to sell it as a mineral specimen in it's own right. 

30th Oct 2020 03:11 UTCHolger Hartmaier 🌟

Hi Elizabeth,
Since the materials are softer than your steel blade we can rule out quartz/chalcedony as the greenish mineral. The lack of a fizzing reaction with vinegar would rule out calcite and most other carbonates bit it would still be worth confirming that with a stronger vinegar or dilute hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid). Try the vinegar/acid on an area after you've scratched it to test the powdered material. If it is a "pipe blockage" type material, I would expect it to react with vinegar. If there is still no reaction, then it becomes a much more difficult exercise for identification via this forum. You may be best off to take it to a local rock club and seek out someone knowledgeable who can assess it first-hand.

30th Oct 2020 20:39 UTCElizabeth Waedemon

That sounds like a good idea, I really appreciate everyone taking a stab at it though. Thank you all!

31st Oct 2020 01:47 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Elizabeth

I think that you will find that it is simply an accumulation of calcium carbonate scale (CaCo3) from a water pipe. Perhaps a plumber cleaned out one of your grandfather's blocked water pipes, or perhaps he was a plumber.

It is a bit unusual to see a completely blocked and crystallised pipe but they occur frequently enough.

The fact that it is a bit chalky and easy to scratch also puts it in the frame as well.

If you search on-line for things like blocked pipes/hard water/calcium build up/ + photos etc., you will find similar looking items.

I'm sure it is not a fossil, drill core, or natural occurrence.


31st Oct 2020 02:12 UTCKyle Beucke 🌟

Can you find a photograph of scale that looks like this?  Still looks like a gray rock that was coated (in vugs) with a green botryoidal mystery mineral to me.  Maybe someone polished it for some reason?   Wierd, yes.  

Kyle

31st Oct 2020 03:16 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Kyle
As I said you can simply search on-line for things like blocked pipes/hard water/calcium build up/ + photos ... etc., you will find similar looking items.

 

31st Oct 2020 03:25 UTCBernadette G

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Kyle, it took me all of 10 seconds on google search to find three images of amazing lime buildup in pipes. None quite the same as Elizabeth's piece, but not that far off either...

31st Oct 2020 03:28 UTCBernadette G

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Pretty cool looking crystal growth in a geode... oops, sorry, I meant to say, valve.

31st Oct 2020 03:31 UTCBernadette G

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This one rivals a cave!

31st Oct 2020 16:20 UTCKyle Beucke 🌟

Thanks.  If this was a filling in a through-going portion of pipe, it seems likely that it would show banded open-space filling texture (like that photo of the valve; thanks!).  The only open -space texture I see here is the vug filling exposed in the broken end and apparently in small pockets exposed along the sides.  There appears to be a greenish mineral partially filling these pockets.  The rest of the material looks to be a light gray unknown (exposed in portions of the broken end), which I suspected to be some type of rock.

Maybe something like this could form in a sump, but to me this is still a mystery.  A cut across the middle might reveal more of the texture.  

Could a cored section of rock have been left in a drill?  Rusting of the drill could have left the rust (if that is what it is).  Would not explain the polished end.

Kyle
 
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