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15th May 2012 03:26 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
15th May 2012 06:21 UTCRobert W. E. Neilson
My personal opinion is the American version is one of my pet hates. I believe the historical spelling is the correct one and not what American publications attempt to change it to, however influential they may be.
15th May 2012 07:39 UTCAJMI
Originally, the name was derived from the Greek word "barus" which means "heavy". (http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/barite/)
From what I understand, the Mineralogical Society of America (MSA) spells it as "barite" and according to the barite/baryte Wiki, the "i" spelling is "more often used in modern scientific journals". For instance, the 2,681 scientific journals (such as Minerals Engineering, Mining Science and Technology, Geoscience Frontiers, Comptes Rendus Geoscience, Chemical Geology, International Journal of Mineral Processing, etc.) which are published by subsidiaries of the Netherlands-based Elsevier company spell it as "barite".
As well, popular magazines (such as Rock & Gem Magazine) and popular books (such as The Complete Guide to Rocks & Minerals) also spell it as "barite".
Likewise, numerous websites such as webmineral.com, usgs.gov, minerals.net, galleries.com, geology.com, mii.org (Mineral Information Institute), ima-na.org (Industrial Minerals Association), etc. and numerous dictionary sources (dictionary.com, merriam-webster.com, britannica.com, etc.) also spell it as "barite" primarily - sometimes providing the alternative spelling of "baryte" as secondary.
Whereas fewer websites such as mindat.org spell it primarily as "baryte". (A Google search for "barite" yielded 2,710,000 hits while a Google search for "baryte" yielded 462,000 - thus showing that the "i" spelling is used far more frequently online than the "y" spelling.)
Also, from 1959-1978 the International Mineralogical Association (IMA) spelled it as "barite" and then changed the spelling to "baryte" in 1978 - amid considerable controversy (many questioned the IMA's logic behind the change).
So if the IMA (or mindat.org) or other references are your preferred official source, or you're British/European, then spell it as "baryte". But if the MSA or one of the majority of other publications/websites/journals/etc. are your preferred official source, and you're American or Canadian, then spell it as "barite".
Either way, everyone who reads English will still likely know what mineral you're talking about. :c)
15th May 2012 08:10 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
A flexible attitude solves many problems. Mental rigidity causes distress. :)-D
15th May 2012 08:11 UTCAlan Barnes (2)
Alan
15th May 2012 08:24 UTCTimothy Greenland
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." - Ralph Waldo Emerson...
Personally, I prefer Baryte (I learnt the Greek word as 'Baryos' not 'Barus', but transiteration between different alphabets always causes problems), but I use Barite when it is required by an editor or other responsible person. Its all BaSO4 anyway!
Cheers
Tim
15th May 2012 08:46 UTCRock Currier Expert
15th May 2012 09:03 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
We already had the discussion 4 years ago and 1 year ago:
http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,81454,81454#msg-81454
http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,7,221690,221690#msg-221690
15th May 2012 09:17 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
15th May 2012 09:40 UTCRock Currier Expert
15th May 2012 09:49 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
15th May 2012 09:54 UTCGeorge Eric Stanley Curtis
Just to add to the conversation I noticed that particle physicists spell Baryon with a 'Y', and this is from the root -
The name "baryon" comes from the Greek word for "heavy" (βαρύς, barys), because, at the time of their naming, most known elementary particles had lower masses than the baryons. (Wiki)
So perhaps to be in keeping with the american way of spelling what is after all Greek, not English, we should ask the physicists to spell Baryon with an 'i' as in Barion.
Oh, and by the way, what colour/color is Barytes/Baryte/Barite ?
Personally I don't think it matters as long as we all understand what is meant. :)-D
Eric (or should that be Erik?)
15th May 2012 10:15 UTCCharles Helm
15th May 2012 10:42 UTCGeorge Eric Stanley Curtis
http://www.barytes.org/
They seem to be the experts, and include Americans, - Quote -
The Barytes Association was formed in October 2000 with 8 founder members from Europe, North America, Africa and India.
Eric
15th May 2012 13:14 UTCDan Fountain
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> Well, the first time, 4 years ago, it degenerated
> into a discussion of beer :-(
Degenerated? Elevated, you mean! :)-D
Since I live in the colonies, I spell it barite. If I move across the pond, I will change all my labels to baryte.
15th May 2012 14:09 UTCDavid K. Joyce Expert
David K. Joyce
15th May 2012 14:38 UTCSteven Kittleson
While we're at it, why do you "Brits" always have to substitute our Zs with your Ss...LOL? Here we go........
To absent friends...in memory...still bright.
15th May 2012 15:51 UTCJim Ferraiolo
15th May 2012 16:54 UTCSpencer Ivan Mather
Spencer.
15th May 2012 18:08 UTCStephen Moreton Expert
15th May 2012 19:54 UTCHarjo Neutkens Manager
15th May 2012 20:13 UTCErik Vercammen Expert
Are you for 'consistency' or 'konsistensi'?
16th May 2012 01:29 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
Maybe for the benefit of all mankind this thread should elevate itself to beer!! :-D
16th May 2012 01:41 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
16th May 2012 01:55 UTCRock Currier Expert
16th May 2012 03:00 UTCSteve Stuart Expert
16th May 2012 03:24 UTCKeith Wood
16th May 2012 04:45 UTCRick Dalrymple Expert
16th May 2012 04:47 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
But, Keith, no more punishment please (even though I have to admit that was a good one). :-)
16th May 2012 08:00 UTCDon Windeler
Sounds like there's a slight preference for the old school, English, conservative convention... so maybe we bear right.
Or all just follow the IMA, like sheep? Baaa... right?
(Sorry, couldn't resist. :-D)
D.
16th May 2012 08:19 UTCPeter Lyckberg Expert
And the element Al is Aluminium! Anyone writing Uranum instead of Uranium?
Before this degenerates to another Beer discussion you should know that Beer is öl in Swedish but do not tell this to ze Dzermans.
I sink wee also discussed Indigolite as in Indigo blue! We all lack some knowledge so we may zink it should be spelled differently.
It is not more correct because a majority do it! 2/3 of the human population will follow the crowd.
16th May 2012 08:40 UTCPeter Chin Expert
16th May 2012 14:26 UTCAthanasios Ziros
So, The greek word Βαρύτης becomes Varytis or Varyte
So lets discuss about the V issue :-)
16th May 2012 14:58 UTCOwen Lewis
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> Wasn't this question resolved by the the Treaty of
> Paris (1783)?????
No, earlier that that. I believe it was one of the prime terms of the Peace of Westphalia that concluded the 30 Year's War and was directly responsible for the ruination of the thousand-year old Holy Roman Empire and the balkanisation of the German lands.
There's nothing new in the world. 250 years ago, Dean Swift wrote amusingly of scientist fighting bitterly over whether a boiled egg should be opened at the big end or at the little end. I'm a confirmed Little Endian myself. One's day is simply not the same without that delicious eggspoonful of perfectly formed solidified albumen that it the first joy of each day for us Little Endians. It is surely basic human right, assured in the USA with constitutional protection as the 'Pursuit of Happiness'...
16th May 2012 15:09 UTCIan Jones Expert
16th May 2012 15:21 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
16th May 2012 17:25 UTCDean Allum Expert
cu Al
16th May 2012 17:58 UTCUwe Ludwig
the Dzermans know that the "Bier" is called öl in Sweden. That is not wrong for us because a good beer (or öl) runs through the throat like "Öl" (German for oil).
Uwe
17th May 2012 12:36 UTCRobert W. E. Neilson
Not only is the American variant of this a historical corruption but a complete linguistic corruption too. The Greek "haem" deriving from the word for blood as opposed to "hem" for half. Hence why I will continue to use the traditional spelling in the face of oppostion from all the major American publications.
17th May 2012 14:40 UTCMichael Hatskel
Historical names deserve respect and memory but aren't necessarily used forever. Modernization happens sometimes.
Why not settle on the knowledge that there are two different spellings that can be found in the literature and neither is superior to the other?
If we go back 150-200 years, there are so many nice names in the mineralogical literature ... and no sign of the modern craze with the multitude of phosphates, amphiboles, sulfosalts, complex alkaline silicates, etc. ... and not so much American influence in the English-language publications ... mostly the British ;-)
Those were the times! "Rule, Britannia! rule the pages!" But leave barite and aluminum alone, please...
P.S. And please don't force us in America to convert into using SI units either... :-D
17th May 2012 15:41 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Jolyon
18th May 2012 10:21 UTCRock Currier Expert
3rd Jul 2012 12:53 UTCPeter Lyckberg Expert
3rd Jul 2012 18:46 UTCDanny Jones Expert
3rd Jul 2012 20:10 UTCJesse Fisher Expert
And as an aside, "barytes" (pronounced "bear-rite-ease") is the term for commercial barite/baryte ore, analogous to the use of "fluorspar" to denote commercially mined fluorite.
Cheers!
6th Jul 2012 18:11 UTCDanny Jones Expert
6th Jul 2012 19:17 UTCRob Woodside 🌟 Manager
6th Jul 2012 21:27 UTCUwe Ludwig
And why allow the English to name our gentle and real football soccer?
Uwe Ludwig
9th Jul 2012 13:52 UTCAnonymous User
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